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The Ernada · Nov 28, 2006, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by lacasner

QFT man, but I think your actually being unreasonable in expecting more from people on this forum.

I've noticed a trend in your posts lascasner. You always put others down who dont see eye to eye with you or try to discredit them somehow with petty reasons. Why is that?

anonymous · Nov 28, 2006, 07:41 AM // 07:41

Your reward was all the fun you had doing whatever you did. And if you didn't have fun you shouldn't have been doing it.

4thVariety · Nov 28, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

We constantly talk about playing the game and that it is a reward in itself, but how so? Once more players embark on a wild goose chase to save the world. Once more they find themselves witnessing the limitations of the storytelling capabilities of today’s games. They might notice the story, but it does not have the emotional impact and level of intensity that people are used to from television. Reading a book full of suspense is rewarding in itself, watching the likes of Galactica and Lost is a reward in itself. But while the script really has gotten better in Nightfall, the game very much lacks all the ingredients necessary to pull off a good TV show. Camera work – basically nonexistent. Acting - still emotes. Voiceovers – only here and there.

Not surprisingly the OP gets disenchanted with the end of the storyline. 95% of the players do not cultivate a relationship towards the characters essential to the storyline. The story is more of an annoyance while we are basically doing something else. Chasing rewards! (Which people are used to doing in every game nowadays, just look at the 360Live system of rewards!!)

Sadly, the reward-system is equally flawed. Players do get alternative skins for weapons only by chance or due to heavy farming. Even if items play no role in GW they do play a role in people’s perception of their virtual alter ego. Even the greens are not a reward for playing the game. They are randomly occurring drops. People just shrug when they find them and move on. If I chose to set out on a quest to find the “Stick of Happiness”, I have but two options. Either farm for money and buy it, or kill Jack the Happy an est. 100 times. A very mundane thing to do in a game of high adventure and the least rewarding thing imaginable.

It is at this point that EQ2 and WoW are so insidious. There people know the thing they have to do to get their desired item. Now they have become willing slaves to “The Grind” of getting it. Those items cannot be compared to most greens which GW players regularly solofarm. Only the UW2 and the Elite Missions drop these items, which have, not surprisingly, a higher value in the community (and I do not mean money value). Prophecies also had quest rewards, sadly they are gone. Maybe they just need a comeback in a whole different way. Bottom line for Nightfall is: It has a great amount of skins but no way of earning them except farming.

Njaiguni Blaze · Nov 28, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Most of the complaining morons here haven't even finished Prophecies, the last mission is not the end. When u get back to Drok's, try talking to Glint's avatar (by kneeling at the site left of the storage). Also, like some people already said, playing the game for an endgame item? Please.... Btw, you got FoW armor yet? Finished Underworld yet? Bet u don't even got KoaBD. Please don't complain about an endgame reward if u didn't even took statisfaction of the game itself.

It's a wonderful game, nuff said.

Njaiguni Blaze · Nov 28, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

It is at this point that EQ2 and WoW are so insidious. There people know the thing they have to do to get their desired item.

Why do people still compare GW with WoW or any other game? It's just like comparing apples and pears.

Enchanted Warrior · Nov 28, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

We constantly talk about playing the game and that it is a reward in itself, but how so? Once more players embark on a wild goose chase to save the world. Once more they find themselves witnessing the limitations of the storytelling capabilities of today’s games. They might notice the story, but it does not have the emotional impact and level of intensity that people are used to from television. Reading a book full of suspense is rewarding in itself, watching the likes of Galactica and Lost is a reward in itself. But while the script really has gotten better in Nightfall, the game very much lacks all the ingredients necessary to pull off a good TV show. Camera work – basically nonexistent. Acting - still emotes. Voiceovers – only here and there.

Not surprisingly the OP gets disenchanted with the end of the storyline. 95% of the players do not cultivate a relationship towards the characters essential to the storyline. The story is more of an annoyance while we are basically doing something else. Chasing rewards! (Which people are used to doing in every game nowadays, just look at the 360Live system of rewards!!)

Sadly, the reward-system is equally flawed. Players do get alternative skins for weapons only by chance or due to heavy farming. Even if items play no role in GW they do play a role in people’s perception of their virtual alter ego. Even the greens are not a reward for playing the game. They are randomly occurring drops. People just shrug when they find them and move on. If I chose to set out on a quest to find the “Stick of Happiness”, I have but two options. Either farm for money and buy it, or kill Jack the Happy an est. 100 times. A very mundane thing to do in a game of high adventure and the least rewarding thing imaginable.

It is at this point that EQ2 and WoW are so insidious. There people know the thing they have to do to get their desired item. Now they have become willing slaves to “The Grind” of getting it. Those items cannot be compared to most greens which GW players regularly solofarm. Only the UW2 and the Elite Missions drop these items, which have, not surprisingly, a higher value in the community (and I do not mean money value). Prophecies also had quest rewards, sadly they are gone. Maybe they just need a comeback in a whole different way. Bottom line for Nightfall is: It has a great amount of skins but no way of earning them except farming.

/agree

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

It is at this point that EQ2 and WoW are so insidious. There people know the thing they have to do to get their desired item. Now they have become willing slaves to “The Grind” of getting it. Those items cannot be compared to most greens which GW players regularly solofarm. Only the UW2 and the Elite Missions drop these items, which have, not surprisingly, a higher value in the community (and I do not mean money value). Prophecies also had quest rewards, sadly they are gone. Maybe they just need a comeback in a whole different way. Bottom line for Nightfall is: It has a great amount of skins but no way of earning them except farming.

/sarcasm on
Oh no, then the lil uber feebs that think they rule the game because they can get them, while others can't, would lose their self perceived superiority, and we cannot have that..
/sarcasm off

Ruphfus · Nov 28, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Proph has the greatest reward of all the chapters, and all chapters to come...

SKILL QUESTS

gg

4thVariety · Nov 28, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

@Njaiguni Blaze

Please rephrase your insult to accomodate your false pretense as shown in my screenshot. Take into consideration that the proposed Skill-Title split will instantly push me to level 2. And as always, answer in the form of a question.

btw, thanks Enchanted Warrior, I could not have put it into more sarcastic words myself. Ruphus has a point there though. The game IS skill based.

Enchanted Warrior · Nov 28, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by Njaiguni Blaze

Most of the complaining morons here haven't even finished Prophecies, the last mission is not the end. When u get back to Drok's, try talking to Glint's avatar (by kneeling at the site left of the storage). Also, like some people already said, playing the game for an endgame item? Please.... Btw, you got FoW armor yet? Finished Underworld yet? Bet u don't even got KoaBD. Please don't complain about an endgame reward if u didn't even took statisfaction of the game itself.

It's a wonderful game, nuff said.

Nuff said.. he fits his own description.. GJ WTG

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

@Njaiguni Blaze

Please rephrase your insult to accomodate your false pretense as shown in my screenshot. Take into consideration that the proposed Skill-Title split will instantly push me to level 2. And as always, answer in the form of a question.

btw, thanks Enchanted Warrior, I could not have put it into more sarcastic words myself. Ruphus has a point there though. The game IS skill based.

True, but there is plenty of room for improvement. (Love the pic gag btw)

Vandal2k6 · Nov 28, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

When I finished Half Life 2 I was mega disapointed. Can't even remember what you get at the end, but that really didn't matter in the end. Yeah, I wanted some fancy cut scene to show what I'd achieved but never got it. Would've like the same in Prophs (maybe show us Ascalon back to it's old self thanks to me).

Anyhoo, my point is in most games, you get nothing more than a cut scene explaining what happened when you left. Why should we expect more from GW? Why should we get a prize for completing it? Your char is not a bounty hunter, just a run of the mill hero out to save the day. That is your reward, knowing you've finished the game. There are plenty of other prizes to collect elsewhere in game.

I still maintain the likes of FoW/UW should only be accessable to those that completed the game. Then that could've been deemed as your reward.

lacasner · Nov 29, 2006, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

I've noticed a trend in your posts lascasner. You always put others down who dont see eye to eye with you or try to discredit them somehow with petty reasons. Why is that?

Sid, I really think you shouldn't say anything about anyone, you've been flaming and dissing people for a long long time now. Maybe instead of doing that, try to actually speak the truth instead of bsing yourself for the sake of the arguement, just to prove your a 1337 debater.

Njaiguni Blaze · Nov 29, 2006, 08:41 AM // 08:41

I said morons, cus actually, I just think all the GW sucks complainers are just that. If you don't like the game, don't play it and don't bother other people with it. And maybe I'm just repeating myself, but THE PLAYING of the game should be the enjoyment imo, not some endgame reward. You're playing the wrong game if you want some uber 1337 omg item. Also, this game is not really finished at all. Each chapter is a (English is not my first language->) sequel, maybe that's why it's called a chapter. It's just like a neverending story. And even after completing the missions and endquests, there is still enough to do. And the games which I've played that did have a reward or total ending, well, I just stopped playing them.

@4thVariety: I said most. And gratz on the title. Did you complete the quests after the missions though? Also, that part where you were saying that people in EQ2 (whatever that is) and WoW people know what do for a certain item. Well, if you knew where and how and what to do to get everything in GW, wouldn't that "finish" the game even sooner? And bout awnsering with a question? Uuhm, that wouldn't be an awnser. Or is this something I don't get cus I'm dutch? Not sure what you mean by that.

@Enchanted Warrior: Well, I have a reason to complain imo. Because I think there are way, way, way too much people complaining about how GW sucks. I'm not saying you have to like it, but if you don't, what's difference is it gonna make to the people who do like it.

And remember, this actually is a pvp-based game. It has elements of both, but pvp is the headline. All the skills you get to learn, buy captured or for reward, all the unlocking of components etc, it all comes down to pvp. Heck, it's called Guild Wars. Not saying you should and must do pvp, but just try it.

Bottom line, I'm one of the people who has loved and played this game since the very beginning and am really getting sick of all these people saying GW sucks, Shiro sucks, elite missions suck, VIM sucks, Anet sucks, yabbity-yab. Please go play something else then. Won't miss ya. And most of the time when something gets added or changed, it still isn't right. Well, to those people, ktnxbye.
*calms down again*

BTW, Vandal2k6, good point made and the likes of FoW/UW being accesable only for players who finished the storyline, we get something like that now in NF by adding the Domain of Anguish

Thallandor · Nov 29, 2006, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

All I asked was why did they choose to not give a reward, and basically the result was "You suck". LOL I weep for the future..

To those that feel I am being unreasonable in expecting more, ask yourself this. Why are you so viamately defending a company that couldn't possibly care less if you stay or go, as long as you buy each chapter before you leave.

hmm i agree with your point, i am starting to think there something wrong with the community, the singled minded posts on many threads make me suscipious if they were all from the same person with different accounts

Jking

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

On that note, would a mod close this..(I know you won't, but what the heck..surest way to keep a thread open is to ask for it to be closed LOL)

ROFL now that you said it i notice this too lol.

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Originally Posted by lacasner

Sid, I really think you shouldn't say anything about anyone, you've been flaming and dissing people for a long long time now. Maybe instead of doing that, try to actually speak the truth instead of bsing yourself for the sake of the arguement, just to prove your a 1337 debater.

Lacasner, how do you know that "The Ernada" is a new account of the now banned "Sig Soggybottom"? Isnt such practices frown upon here?

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Originally Posted by Njaiguni Blaze

And remember, this actually is a pvp-based game. It has elements of both, but pvp is the headline. All the skills you get to learn, buy captured or for reward, all the unlocking of components etc, it all comes down to pvp. Heck, it's called Guild Wars. Not saying you should and must do pvp, but just try it.

Finally someone came out in the open and said it. The War on PvE vs PvP continues.

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Originally Posted by Njaiguni Blaze

Bottom line, I'm one of the people who has loved and played this game since the very beginning and am really getting sick of all these people saying GW sucks, Shiro sucks, elite missions suck, VIM sucks, Anet sucks, yabbity-yab. Please go play something else then. Won't miss ya. And most of the time when something gets added or changed, it still isn't right. Well, to those people, ktnxbye.

Which is sadder, a community that doesnt agree within itself, or a community that lacks a voice.

Njaiguni Blaze · Nov 29, 2006, 10:00 AM // 10:00

@Thallondor
War on PvE vs PvP? Sorry, but I'm a dedicated PvE player and have had some experience and fun in GvG and TA. HA is just too much cookiecutter and discriminating to me. And what I actually ment to say by that was that this game is based on skill, not on how much you have or get.
And you're last line, I don't get the question. But I don't have anything against complaining, I just think there are too much people bashing down this game by just saying "Aw that sucks". I've never responded to any complain-threads, and I regret I did it now, cus I don't wanna start arguments.
I don't like complaining, and especially not in this way. Cus EW, what do you think they should've added as reward then? Why critisise something you don't got feedback for or an idea to improve? I haven't seen any game give you a reward item or such. And it wasn't really asking, you said it was like they said "You finished, thanks, see ya, don't forget to buy the next chapter.... oh yeah, here is a meaningless title too." That's saying there's no point in playing the game imo. I don't get it, you played the game without enjoyment of it, why give you a reward then? And we're talking bout GWP here, that's 2 chapters back.

Stixxx · Nov 29, 2006, 10:53 AM // 10:53

sounds like you only played the game to get a reward for it...Me and probably the vast majority of the GW community play it because its fun. I'm surprised u made it to finish Tyria in the first place. If i dont like a game i dont keep playing it till i finish it

RTSFirebat · Nov 29, 2006, 11:14 AM // 11:14

Spoiler alert....

You kill a god at the end of the kill! Surely that in its own right is a massive reward... I mean how often do you get to kill a god?

Skuld · Nov 29, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

I set balthazar on fire!

freekedoutfish · Nov 29, 2006, 01:27 PM // 13:27

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

All I asked was why did they choose to not give a reward, and basically the result was "You suck". LOL I weep for the future..

To those that feel I am being unreasonable in expecting more, ask yourself this. Why are you so viamately defending a company that couldn't possibly care less if you stay or go, as long as you buy each chapter before you leave.

On that note, would a mod close this..(I know you won't, but what the heck..surest way to keep a thread open is to ask for it to be closed LOL)

Im doubting anyone is under the delusion that Anet cares whethe we stay or go. They are after all a company out to make money from selling their product.

Hence the whole reason for unique selling points like factions in factions and heroes in nightfall.

Its not because their surcoming to our demands out of the goodness of their hearts, its because they know it will keep us entertained and keep us playing, and it will help sell more copies.

Ok, maybe that a bit harsh. Im sure Anet employees do love their work in GWs and do love us for playing it. But at the end of the day its their job, they want to get paid, so they give us reason to play.

But anyway, the fact that Anet is out to make money, doesnt mean their not going to give us a good climax to a story.

If anything its more reason for them to do a good job and give a good climax. We all love a good climax....

But if your talking in terms of storyline, then just look at nightfall and how it has combined all 3 stories at its climax. Kinda!!

There is alot more to do in all 3 games even once you finish the game.

You cant ever really say youve "finished" a compaign unless youve achieved every title which exists, owned every armor which exists and completed all the elite mission and the UW and FOW.

Their even now adding more content to nightfall in the form of elite missions, which can ONLY be accessed once you FINISH the last mission.

So they are doing their best to keep us entertained.

But this is why we have ever continuing campaigns. To add new content and new adventures. To add new climatic endings and continue the world of GWs.

If you complete one and just winge that it wasnt enough....

...THEN BUY THE NEXT ONE. Who cares if its just Anets way of pocking money from us. Its money well spent.

If you didnt like the way the main missions ended in Tryia, then thats a shame. I liked it. But then I was playing mainly for the storyline, not to get the best weapons or armor to show off with.

If I want to show off I can parade around with my KOABD, but I dont.... always.

Id much rather enjoy something for its content.

Despite my earlier post, I do appreciate your point. You work long and hard to achieve something and then some little up-start comes along at a lower lvl and hes got just as far as you have.

It can annoy you and make you think the game wasnt as hard as you thought if this guy can do it at that lvl.

But thats another side to the game. To strive to outdo others and feel bigger then them (despite what people try to tell you). The game does have an aspect of competitiveness. If it didnt, then no one would strive for anything.

So instead of complaining that some lower lvl player completed the game too, get out there and out-shine them. Achieve more titles, then come back and be all....

"nananana..... mewhahaha, look at me!"

...if that flouts your boat then good.

Or do what I do and wait for some up-start to call you a noob for no reason, walk over with your KOABD and watch them hush up and walk off.

Age · Nov 29, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

For the moment, yes it is. Unless they decide to go back with an expansion and add to Tyria, Tyria is done. The updates you listed happened before Factions release. There were the few greens added, but aside from bugfixes and that single update, Tyria has gotten nothing in over 6 months.

Yes it has gotten some updates not bug fixes like material storage and only chapter 1 account holder now have template savings.Then there is hench controls.We talk about going back to Tyria as there was really no Finale on it unlike Factions and NightFall with a lot of loose ends.What and where is Drascir I know it is in the north but where exactly.

Enchanted Warrior · Nov 29, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Njaiguni Blaze = Fanboi Extraordinaire